Is Marriage Really What Gays Are After?
65What's The Point?
Well lets take a look. gay and lesbian people have certainly come a long way since the 1770's,when their plight after discovery was death. then a liberal president (Jefferson) suggested a change from that brutal policy to breaking the nose cartilage of lesbians and flogging gay men.Time flew and by the 1970's they were pushing to be taken from the list of the mentally ill, and it was granted. In the 80's their next frontier was to enter "The Boyscouts of America". the Boy Scouts wouldn't allow it,so next, they took it to court and lost. Then they put pressure on the corporate world(corporations fund the Scouts) the corporations caved for a dollar.that is such a shame. Corporate america bowed to the pressure thus allowing perverted and deviant men to become an innocent young boys mentor. This was tragic and heartbreaking. That move grew us a generation of gay desensitized and confused children.
After that, their effort was to get in the military. Now they are in the military. This was what they said they wanted,right? No, it's not! Now their current efforts are to repeal the "don't ask don't tell " in the military and to be allowed to legally marry.So, we all ask the question " when in the military would this info be needed and how would it be relevant as a soldier?" They already have civil unions which are just as binding as marriage; how would either of the issues make a difference??.
Marriage was established for a man and a woman that aren't already otherwise married. the word marriage intrinsictly means " the joining of a man and a woman". it provides a legal form of ownership of eachothers estate to help protect families. there are other routes one could take that would do the same things as marriage and are just as legal and binding(joint ownership,wills, civil union,partnerships etc.)but they're not " marriage".They say that they want the same protections as a family, So with all the legal paths(some of which i described) you would think that their problems have been solved.The one decoy that they are now using is: passing a pension to your mate after death. If there is a union of two men or two women they both are and should be working,correct? They will have their own insurance and pensions. It couldn't be marriage for the reason, two men and or two women are not,"a man and a woman".Some people say that a person should be able to love whomever they want.The law allows for this and has nothing to do with the requirement for marriage.So then, this would not be part of the issue. Now they can love one another and legally connect to eachothers estate. All the benefits that they say they want will have been met.right? So then,why marriage? What is the advantage of that word to them?
Male and female come from nature. it was designed through natural selection for a purpose. you can't decide at birth, nor could your parents decide what sex you would be. The reason for male and female( best we can tell) is to Pro create.To further our species, to populate the earth and this is "perfectly normal".Being gay does not allow for pro creation. Thus falling short of natural selection. Infact,going opposite of natural selection and is not normal.BUT YOU ARE CERTAINLY ALLOWED TO DO THIS IF YOU WANT, but it is not normal! In the same way that a nurse can't say that she is a doctor or a vanilla cake can't be a chocolate cake or two men or two women can't be married . they don't meet the criteria and or have the ingredients! They can be Civil Unioned, just not married.
The reason for the push for marriage and to repeal the "don't ask don't tell" in the military is to seek normalcy, or rather eliminate it. If they are allowed to marry. Then they can say that they are normal. If they can say that they are gay and in the military. Then, they can say that they are normal and that we said that they are normal and that we support what they do. Therefore gay is good. if gay is normal than what is heterosexual?I say that even with this, it will not be enough. Because they are always so in your face with what they do. After this , the next campaign will probably be to make people stop distinguishing between the two (gay marriage or regular marriage).Right now you can say Bob got married. Everyone knows it was to a girl. When it changes, then you say "Bob got married" and someone will have to use another term to identify exactly what took place. And that will be their next big front. So what actually will happen is . . . there will be no such thing as normal. No standard. Moral anarchy.Anything goes, thus a slow walk back to the caveman. And this is the beginning.It appears that society is more concerned with being nice than it is with being wise or logical. i'll just say what are the top three fears for going to prison? they are neing murdered,being beaten and being screwed in the rear. but now they try to tell us that it's normal ha ha ha ! what would it be like to come in from patrol in the military after a couple of months. your platoon races to the showers to change clothes, cuz' it's friday night. the guy you have spent the last month with in a defensive position puts on tight leather pants with the butt out and lipstick. In the wee hours of that morning when all G.I.'s are coming back to the barracks. You discover this guy in bed with another guy. that will destroy any respect and or morale of a military unit.WHAT TEENAGER IS GONNA WANT TO SHARE A PUP TENT WITH HIM OR THE SHOWER? So in my closing i say if a homosexual and lack of pro-creation is normal, then what is heterosexual? A newspaper reporter asked a gay man in the 70's "So now that homosexuality has been taken off the mentally i'll list, what is it that you'd like to do"? the man replied. . . "marry a man" . . .
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I certainly do not agree with you on this. If marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, why can't it be extended to include unions of two people of the same sex. No-one is asking anyone else to get into same-sex relationships, just that they be allowed to do so. It's not unnatural and same-sex relationships are found among species other than humans. I think it is simply cruel and unnecessary to prevent such unions.
In South Africa same-sex unions are legal and our consitution makes discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation unlawful. This I believe is an honest and humane way to approach this issue.
Thanks for sharing your opinion and I hope you don't mind me sharing mine!
Love and peace
Tony
hi tony! well i appreciate your view,and debate is what we do here. there is nothing that stops gays from being together in this country.they have all the benefits of married people. that's not what they want. they want us to say that it is the same as a man and a woman and it's not. you say why can't marriage be extended to include gays, i say why should it be? it would be the equivalent of gay people having a "same sex marriage" and me bringing my girlfriend and saying i want a same sex marriage too! what's the point? it doesn't make sense. there is nothing inhumane about what is going on. just different, i think.
I got no problem with “Gay Marriage”, I have empathy for the person in the traditional dominant role. The person in my family that slashes the paddock’s, fixes the tractor. Carries the fuel. Chops the wood. Some one always does that part and they should be commended and appreciated as much as the person who does the traditional inside work. Both should be proud of what they do for their family. Cause family is what being married is all about.
I would argue that six cats and 2 dogs is not a family, but can see how that could be a substitute for some and is valid in a fair world.
The way I look at it, the Gay Community has it all, except the one thing they don't want, a spouse of the opposite sex! Why not allow marriage, I believe the gay community will receive anything it wants, as its voice is so loud in our culture.
Lets use gay men for an example, they have recognized minority status, can receive grants and subsidy’s based on this status. It is assumed that gay men have style, are neat and tidy, have good fashion sense; can cook fantastically, are wine connoisseurs; they are adept at any craft or art, requiring specialized skills. Gay men have an in built sensor for good night spots and are congratulated for personal growth by their friends & colleagues.
I would argue that most of this list is untrue stereo typing.
However I would like to support this business of getting support and congratulations for personal growth. Many would see this as un realistic irrelevant nonsense. I do not.
I recently had an experience where I came out of the closet, as a “cry baby” . Even though I have had a macho image most of my life, I recently admitted that I cry sometimes during old Mac Guyver episodes I have on DVD. I usually only cry at the end when the kidnapped children are released and returned to their parents. But I do cry. I held this inside for a long time, people had their suspicions. My wife knew all along. Pretending to have dust in my eyes did not fool her. Now that it is out in the open I feel better. So I support coming out, no matter what your issue! Everyone should know your personal business and intimate thoughts, it is so important and central to everything in your life and everyone else's.
Stereo types are unfair, no matter what. Yet we need them to make sense of our world. They are stereo types because they are common place.
The whole gay culture, in your face, recognize our rights, is not a bad thing when it creates awareness and helps to level the playing field. The gay mafia wields power like any other big gun and that is good as long as it is not a corrupt institution that abuses their power, this is wrong. I have seen both instances in my life.
Growing up in San Francisco’s North Beach District in the 70’s, the epicenter of the gay civil rights movement. I remember the gay culture was referred to as sailor’s. This sailor, that sailor, it’s a sailors town! My dad told me when I was a boy that Uncle Danny and Uncle Hank were married. I thought nothing of it, still don’t. I can remember gay weddings in Columbus park when I was a kid. They were not announced weddings in the traditional sense but everyone
knew , it was accepted. I am not saying this was better, but everyone knew where they stood on the line. Mostly I am confused these days by the rules of intermingling metro culture. I wish there was a rule book. There is a new hub for some one "the metro-sexual handbook and guide."
BC excellent in your reviews and hilarious! my view you have read and to respond a little further. they have everything they have asked for and no one minds really about them being gay.i just think they're not gonna stop forcing the issue till everyone in America says that they are . . . or want to be gay!
Thanks Joe, my back ground is Native American, they did not call it that when I was growing up. I only bring it up here to point out that it is a non issue, like being gay or black or Latino or Muslim.
People can say some really well intentioned insulting things. Like my people must be proud that I have done well in my life.
People are sometimes astonished when they find out that I have made it through my life without becoming a drunkard with no pride, who blows his paycheck on alcohol and loose women.
The fact that I have accomplished anything in my life must be an accident considering my back ground. People always tell me the joke about how Indians get their names like two dogs ¬???®?ø¬?. I find it hilarious mostly.
The real reason I have done well in life is a testament to my good nature and good up bringing. Good parents. Good schools and good places to live. What we all want.
Gays have got to get some real gay pride and stop attracting attention to themselves, with all their feel sorry for me bull.
I don’t want anyone to feel sorry for me. Give me a job I am not qualified for, because I am an Indian. I don't want the great grandson of a settler to America to apologise to me for something his ancestors did.
Gays want everyone to openly agree with them about everything, the idea that being gay is great. I disagree.
I can tell you I would not try to tell any one that they should give me their house because their great grandfather stole my land.
All this recognition stuff, invasion day, gay rights day. Lets go back to Columbus day or Lincolns birthday, the guy who invented the telephone or the man who invented peanut butter. I would draw the line at Reagan day or anything like that.
Any way, non political holidays and celebrations need to make a comeback if we are all to get over ourselves and move on as a society interested in the future and the betterment of people and place, which is a real issue.
Geez. Marriage is just a term. "The gays should have to be as miserable as the rest of us"! (some comedian said that)Personally I don't care what people do as long as they stay out of my way and don't interfere with my freedoms.(Which are few these days) I don't think gays just choose to be gay. They really feel it is as normal to them as we feel being non gay. So God must have created it. I say this too because nature has too many examples of same sex orientation. I don't know why we don't want them to say vows of love and all that stuff like we do. Who cares. They'll be divorced after a couple of years anyway, like everyone else. Good hub!
LISA-ha ha ha you're funny! it has a point though. ya know this stuff has altered civilization. i was taught as a kid, when your eyes meet, you have to speak.it's common courtesy. but we have discontinued this practice because nowadays if you speak or someone speaks to you in a public place,it's awkward, and each person begins analyzing why the other person spoke.also you can get some guy following you around. is that a laugh or what? so now we walk making sure not to make eye contact so no one has to speak. really weird!
if it'is the benefits then civil union works. if it's the "term" marriage you'll still have to say gay marriage or same sex marriage or something to describe what has taken place and you're right back to square one. so, that's why i don't think that this is ultimately what there after. but 5 years and they'll be paying some lawyers mortgage ha ha ha . thanks for dropping by
Civil Union for anyone, but marriage for an unmarried man to an unmarried woman.
Marriage should not be used to morph a homosexual relationship so that it validates it.
What is interesting is that using your adsense pennies to heaven dream, you become the advocate for the gays through the ads attached to your hub.
This is not a personal critcism, only an observation.
Opinionduck_ ya know i saw that too. i'm fairly new to this and wondered. well, what is one to do? they just think if they can squeeze in our space then what they do will become normal.what we don't do, that we should, is contact our politicians more and tell them how we feel.OP thanks for dropping by!
Joe,
I enjoyed your column and as you have noted, they have come a LONG way since the 70's ! As a believer in Christ, I think people left to their "ways" will continue to pursue whatever they can get away with (part of the sin nature). When you study the gay population from a biblical perspective, that is exactly what they are doing...taking an inch at a time. Over time the liberal society is helping the gay community by desensitizing with TV commercials and of course the gay community promoting, pushing, and petitioning for their cause. As they gain ground more innocent victims, usually children are exposed to their hideous agenda. They actually attempted this in the state of Washington in 1991. The gay population wanted to go to into schools and promote homosexulaity as an alternative life style. It was overwhelmingly voted down as there were too many parents that became involved against the idea. With it so out in the open "as it is", how is anyone to turn their heads? And when you do you are labeled as a homophobic.. Of course in a normal man and woman relationship, if a women doesn't care to court, she simply does not respond. (I am surprised they have not come up with a terminology for this!)
LINDA- "evil prevails , when good men do nothing". thank you for dropping by
With all due respect- in my opinion- they were molested as a child and/or a parent failed to protect them as a child. I know some who was married and when they became divorced- then one went to the same sex. I use to be a cab driver and spoke to a lot of people. I have a niece who was with guys for a long time- then she went to same sex relationships. The only thing that is troubling- I don't want my grandkids growing up seeing this thinking that this is normal, when it isn't normal. Will there be a law passed that its alright to be a pediphile? Don't be suprised if they do that one. Are they going to say they were born a pediphile?
Where does it end?
hi duggers- that is what it appears they are trying to do. because as it stands their is not one thing that is against them. they can live together or whatever they want. they want society to say that it is "normal". if we do that then like you say pedophilia is next. ya know pedophilia is legal in some countries now. all you can do is write and call your politicians and tell them you do not want this to be promoted in our society. thanks for stopping by
Pedophilia is legal in some countries? Are you for real!? I would be a major distress to them countries Joe- I'm telling you- someone would have to take me out as soon as my foot touched their soil! Have I been in my cave too long? We all know ripples travel Joe-
ha ha ha yeah like thailand is one and there are a few. there was a pbs special. where they went to the pedophile hangout a watched prominent people( doctors , lawyers) from the us vacationing there for that reason alone.correct, ripples travel.now you see exactly what i'm talking about.
Your hub is right on point. We open a massive can of worms with this issue. So polygamy will be up for legalization, and this type of bonding already involves marriages of females as young 14, then coupling of adults and children should be allowed, what about bestiality so where does it end?
Our nation needs to re-evaluate our stance on morality. Plus what happened to our right to our own opinions? Heterosexuals also have the right not to approve of the homosexual life style.
I take issue that it is considered a civil rights issue. No one knows what sexual persuasion a homosexual is until they open their mouths.
You and I on the other hand wear our racial persuasion on the outside every day. One is a choice of lifestyle the other an act of God. I could careless about the sexual orientation of any human being, but I DO care about folks trying to FORCE me to like it. This is America, can't we agree to disagree?
Excellent hub and subject matter. I do so love a debate once in awhile. Peace to you and yours.
To portray homosexuals as deviant pedophiles is such a low on your part. Homosexuality was removed from the list of recognized mental conditions because they have consistently shown to have to impairment in judgement or competency. This was already proclaimed to be true by the father of modern psychology himself, Sigmund Freud.
A Classmate of mine who is homosexuals said "I don't even care if they want to call it faggot-union. All I want is the rights promised to my by my country."
50 years ago, we might have been arguing about the rights of African Americans, 150 years ago, we would be arguing about the writes of women. To be blunt an honest, the fact that you, an African American wrote this is a fine example of hypocrisy.
Im apologize, the 'to' in line 4 should have been a 'no'
James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago
Great Hub! I really enjoyed reading your excellent commentary. You give 'em and inch and they'll want to take a mile.